Episode 3

Published on:

29th Sep 2020

Making "Something" Into "Everything" with Jon Marro

In today's episode, I talk with Jon Marro, an extremely talented artist, filmmaker, the author of Keepers of Color and Holden Hugs the World, and the resident creative genius for the Cafe Gratitude, Gracias Madre, and Be Love Farm family. Jon and I recorded this episode live, while I was staying on the Be Love Farm, so you will likely hear some farm noises like tractors, cows mooing, dogs barking, people talking, and children laughing.

Topics Covered:

  • The feeling of being in "alignment" with who you are
  • Jon's journey as an artist
  • Giving your entire attention to a task
  • How integrity is transferred into Jon's art
  • Relying on external sources for connection to source
  • Becoming your own "guru"
  • Disconnecting in order to reconnect
  • Ideas as entities
  • Making art in response to darkness
  • Optimism
  • Holding space for others
  • Destruction for destruction's sake
  • Learning how to rest


As always, thank you to Maytav Koter and Spencer Stewart for the music on my podcast. And to Laura Strohbusch for the podcast graphic.

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Exploring identity, practicing authenticity and self-love to become undefined
Where is the boundary between our authentic selves and our conditioned selves? How do we shed the definitions society creates to get back to our core self? What does it mean to be true to yourself?

On Undefined, our host, Marisa Tashman, shares her conversations with thought-leaders, change-makers, and passion-players who have journeyed to return to the core of who they are. Together we explore authenticity, identity, core beliefs, definitions, conditioning and societal programming, social justice, relationships, spirituality, mindfulness, wellness, and self-love.
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Marisa Tashman

Hi, I'm Marisa (insert wave emoji here). Sometimes I feel like I'm pretending. Don't we all? Avoiding authenticity as a defense mechanism or coping tactic to survive in a society that conditions us to be someone. Classic human. In 2020, amidst the never-ending anxiety and over-purchasing of hand sanitizer/lysol wipes/face masks/shields, I created a podcast called Undefined (naturally came up with the name during a soundbath...totally on brand and not surprising to any of you). Undefined is the embodiment of my exploration of identity - my own identity, my guests' identities, and the identities that are thrown upon us all by the amorphous "them" in charge of our world. As a lawyer (i.e., yet another definition I subscribe to), I investigate facts...but the feelings and the deeper truer parts are often left out. I share my conversation with others who are also exploring these questions. Who am I? Where is the boundary between my authentic self and my programmed self? How do I practice more authenticity? What does it mean to be true to yourself?